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12-15-2006, 03:26 AM
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IMHO, go for neither but a brand new M5.Its more than worth the extra you pay as long as the new M5 wont empty your wallet. a used car may never give you the thrill of owning a new one too.
IMHO, go for neither but a brand new M5.Its more than worth the extra you pay as long as the new M5 wont empty your wallet. a used car may never give you the thrill of owning a new one too.
12-15-2006, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by my530i' post='367605' date='Dec 14 2006, 07:54 PM
It all depends on one needs and affordability.
1. Are you willing to stop by gas station every other day and pay for high gas bill to trade for the fun?
2. How much fun would you expect out of three times going to gas station/week, and ~$120-150/week for gas?
3. Do you drive 0-120 very often? If you drive only from 0-100 quite often, go for 550i
M5 for sure is everyone's affordable dream car (not like Lambo or Ferrari which are out of reach for now
) Some members here test drove M5 and did not like low end torque. I don't like low low end torque. With my current 550i + Sprintbooster, I can burn my tire in 1st gear easily.
The problem is the look of M5 is astonishing!
1. Are you willing to stop by gas station every other day and pay for high gas bill to trade for the fun?
2. How much fun would you expect out of three times going to gas station/week, and ~$120-150/week for gas?
3. Do you drive 0-120 very often? If you drive only from 0-100 quite often, go for 550i
M5 for sure is everyone's affordable dream car (not like Lambo or Ferrari which are out of reach for now
) Some members here test drove M5 and did not like low end torque. I don't like low low end torque. With my current 550i + Sprintbooster, I can burn my tire in 1st gear easily.The problem is the look of M5 is astonishing!
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12-15-2006, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Locksmythe' post='367628' date='Dec 14 2006, 08:43 PM
A fully loaded 550 is more than 75k, so price should not be your deciding factor if you are really making that comparison.
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12-15-2006, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='367687' date='Dec 15 2006, 03:07 AM
all i'll say is that the m5 didn't blow me away below 14.0 mph like i was expecting.
aboce 14.0 mph, thats a different story
regardless, my desire for an m5 isn't about speed, but about the feel and other performance aspects. the m5 sounds better, looks better, handles better, brakes better, and feels more connected to the road, than my car. in order to get these attributes from my car, i'd have to add brembos, coilovers, an even louder exhaust, and delete active steering.
aboce 14.0 mph, thats a different story
regardless, my desire for an m5 isn't about speed, but about the feel and other performance aspects. the m5 sounds better, looks better, handles better, brakes better, and feels more connected to the road, than my car. in order to get these attributes from my car, i'd have to add brembos, coilovers, an even louder exhaust, and delete active steering.
I came from a DMS 535D to a DMS E60 M5 & given the 535d (with DMS) would match a 545 & even a 550 to a point, the M5 is so much faster it's like black & white.
I'm a lover of all E60's & addored my 535d but even just the performance is vastly different in the M5. It's putting out over 150BHP more than the 545 & not far off that for the 550 & all for no additional weight. How can they be on a par performance wise up to 140MPH??
TBH to combat the slightly low torque in the M5 i had DMS address this problem, but all N/A engines suffer with this & the M5 has more lbsft than both the 550 & 545, only the 535d has more lbsft.
12-15-2006, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffs' post='367711' date='Dec 15 2006, 04:35 AM
Well in my opinion after driving the M5 several times: crappy SMG. Don't get me wrong, with a controlled right foot you can shift smoothly, it just feels like a toy car. Lack of torque means that you don't "feel" fast like an AMG would and although handling is great I wouldnt consider it a track car (its 4000lbs). However, it is still an M car and no way can any regular 5 compare to it... 
That's why its an MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
That's why its an MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMHow is feeling fast different to being fast?? My RS6 (heavily modified) felt a little quicker than my DMS M5, but it wasn't. Is the benchmark now to own a car that just feels quick rather than actually being quick.
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='367802' date='Dec 15 2006, 10:19 AM
How can they be on a par performance wise up to 140MPH??
also, being fast can be completely differnent to feeling fast -
- some lexus' are fast. but they have the most comfy seats and softest rides, so they sure don't feel fast. in fact, they feel boring.
- m6 is only a little tiny bit faster than m5, but m6 feels a lot faster than m5 because you sit lower to the ground. same with 545 vs 645 or 550 vs 650.
- we've all seen those m5 vs gallardo videos on m5board and they seem to be pretty even. but i bet the g feels so much faster than m5 because you sit lower, smaller car, less weight, harder ride, louder engine, etc.
- convertibles feels faster than coupes, because you have the wind in your face.
- etc.
12-15-2006, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by juventus' post='367589' date='Dec 14 2006, 07:34 PM
From what I've read the lower end torque of the M5 is not significantly better than that of the 550i. Sure the M5 is a whole different animal at high speeds (read autobahn) but what good is it in the USA.
This is one way of consoling myself as the M5 is out of my reach. Sour grapes.
Is a used E60 M5 (I think $ 75000) better than a brand new fully loaded 550?
This is one way of consoling myself as the M5 is out of my reach. Sour grapes.
Is a used E60 M5 (I think $ 75000) better than a brand new fully loaded 550?
Now, the 545 always has to be downshifted in my typical commute driving. Highway passing in 4th or 5th is good, but don't press your luck around town. I guess that's why SMG is so popular...you get to play more.
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12-15-2006, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Hull' post='367949' date='Dec 15 2006, 11:44 PM
From the very first M5 (87 or 88), I wondered "why?" for USA application. All the juice was up top and you had to keep rowing to keep it revved. Haven't driven one lately, but I'll tell you that the E60 V8s powerbands are in the same league. I miss my low-end grunt from previous big 5s. I could lug my 535s and 540 in 4th or 5th gear around town without any problem.
Now, the 545 always has to be downshifted in my typical commute driving. Highway passing in 4th or 5th is good, but don't press your luck around town. I guess that's why SMG is so popular...you get to play more.
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Now, the 545 always has to be downshifted in my typical commute driving. Highway passing in 4th or 5th is good, but don't press your luck around town. I guess that's why SMG is so popular...you get to play more.
Cheers,
Ray Hull
I tend to disagree - E34 540i feels rather sluggish (my friend still drives one),
better low end torque has started with Vanos - again to compare apples and apples,
E38 740i (4.0) and E740i (4.4 Vanos) were day and night in terms of performance.
Mind you - 4.4L model had different (steptronic) box.
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12-15-2006, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by w8pmc' post='367804' date='Dec 15 2006, 10:22 AM
It's awesome round a track & your opinion on fast must be well removed from the norm. How can 0-60 in 4.6secs (that's just the manufacturers figures as real world it's quicker) not feel fast.
How is feeling fast different to being fast?? My RS6 (heavily modified) felt a little quicker than my DMS M5, but it wasn't. Is the benchmark now to own a car that just feels quick rather than actually being quick.
How is feeling fast different to being fast?? My RS6 (heavily modified) felt a little quicker than my DMS M5, but it wasn't. Is the benchmark now to own a car that just feels quick rather than actually being quick.
12-15-2006, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 550isport' post='367784' date='Dec 15 2006, 06:13 AM
Well said. I agree 100%. Also don't forget if you love a super tight sports car ride, the M5 also delivers more there as well. Dinan says its software for the 550 is coming out by spring at the latest. I'm going with either the sprintbooster or the dinan software (probably dinan since it removes speed limiter). Any thoughts my530i?
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Regards,
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and software upgrade unless it claims giving you 30lbft/30hp after chipping.