Kidde pool on my back passenger side floor....
06-29-2009, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrick E61' post='927475' date='Jun 29 2009, 11:13 AM
Nope. Just like with the E61, sunroof drains are classed as a "non-customer serviceable part" by BMW.
With the E61, if your sunroof drain tubes are clogged, the ENTIRE electrical system of your BMW can be ruined. The sunroof drain tubes clog up, then fail (burst or rupture), and all of the water that the tubes are supposed to let out under the rear bumper, get dumped into your trunk. This is the same location (E61) for many control modules on the E61.
With the E61, the only way to get at these drain tube ends is to remove the rear bumper. I am not sure what the procedure is with the E60.
With the E61, if your sunroof drain tubes are clogged, the ENTIRE electrical system of your BMW can be ruined. The sunroof drain tubes clog up, then fail (burst or rupture), and all of the water that the tubes are supposed to let out under the rear bumper, get dumped into your trunk. This is the same location (E61) for many control modules on the E61.
With the E61, the only way to get at these drain tube ends is to remove the rear bumper. I am not sure what the procedure is with the E60.
06-29-2009, 10:49 AM
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Thanks for all the help folks. I'll go thru all of those options and see what I can come up with. I'll keep you posted. If I can't resolve it I'll take to the bmw dealer and have a friend of mine who is a tech there figure it out. Oh and yes I do have a moon roof.
06-29-2009, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CWS530' post='927409' date='Jun 29 2009, 12:04 PM
What a drag. Sorry to hear that happened to you. OP: This definitely sounds like the culprit.
Sorry to threadjack: Anyone know how to prevent this? Where exactly are these sunroof drains that get stopped up? I guess I've never really looked around up there, but sounds like I (we) should.
Sorry to threadjack: Anyone know how to prevent this? Where exactly are these sunroof drains that get stopped up? I guess I've never really looked around up there, but sounds like I (we) should.
I'm contacting BMWNA to see why this isnt issued as a recall since it really is the fault of BMW. Just from word of mouth asking friends of friends I know of around 47 people who had the same if similiar problem with the 5 series sedans, wagons and 3 series models over the years....This really shouldn't come out of the owners pocket.
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Originally Posted by gildagjg' post='927516' date='Jun 29 2009, 01:54 PM
The drains are tiny holes in the corners of the sunroof closer to the windshield. I have never seen them blocked when i clean the sunroof after washing the car.
I'm contacting BMWNA to see why this isnt issued as a recall since it really is the fault of BMW. Just from word of mouth asking friends of friends I know of around 47 people who had the same if similiar problem with the 5 series sedans, wagons and 3 series models over the years....This really shouldn't come out of the owners pocket.
I'm contacting BMWNA to see why this isnt issued as a recall since it really is the fault of BMW. Just from word of mouth asking friends of friends I know of around 47 people who had the same if similiar problem with the 5 series sedans, wagons and 3 series models over the years....This really shouldn't come out of the owners pocket.
06-29-2009, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gildagjg' post='927516' date='Jun 29 2009, 09:54 PM
The drains are tiny holes in the corners of the sunroof closer to the windshield. I have never seen them blocked when i clean the sunroof after washing the car.
I'm contacting BMWNA to see why this isnt issued as a recall since it really is the fault of BMW. Just from word of mouth asking friends of friends I know of around 47 people who had the same if similiar problem with the 5 series sedans, wagons and 3 series models over the years....This really shouldn't come out of the owners pocket.
I'm contacting BMWNA to see why this isnt issued as a recall since it really is the fault of BMW. Just from word of mouth asking friends of friends I know of around 47 people who had the same if similiar problem with the 5 series sedans, wagons and 3 series models over the years....This really shouldn't come out of the owners pocket.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by gildagjg' post='927516' date='Jun 29 2009, 09:54 PM
This really shouldn't come out of the owners pocket.
06-29-2009, 12:44 PM
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Mention this from 2006... (this is a repost)
SI B 54 06 06
Special Roofs November 2006
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes S.I. B54 06 06 dated August 2006.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
Water Leak from Panoramic Sunroof
MODEL
E53 (X5 SAV), E61 (5 Series Sport Wagon) and E83 (X3 SAV) equipped with Panoramic Sunroof (S402A)
SITUATION
Customer may complain of a water leak from the overhead console area during heavy rain or when driving/parking on a steep slope facing downhill.
CAUSE
Possible Causes:
A. Obstructed or damaged drains or drain tubes.
B. Void in the windshield urethane bead.
C. Excessive gaps between the glass panels and the perimeter seal.
D. Inadequate water management system in the sunroof cassette.
CORRECTION
In case of a customer complaint, inspect various components of the sunroof system. Perform a leak test and then perform the recommended repair based on the outcome of these inspections.
An improved sunroof cassette with an optimized water management system has been implemented in production since 10/05.
The current improved part is available as a complete color keyed cassette as opposed to the bare frame previously available.
PROCEDURE
Inspect for the following causes and perform the applicable repair.
Cause A: (Obstructed drains)
? Inspect the cassette drains and drain tubes for any obstructions or kinks in the tubes.
? If any concerns are found with these items, they should be cleaned/repaired/replaced as necessary.
Cause B: (Windshield sealant)
? Inspect the top edge of the windshield glass for any possible voids in the urethane bead.
? Using water or compressed air may help in locating a leak.
? If any voids are found, the windshield must be replaced.
Cause C: (Excessive panel gaps)
? Inspect the condition of the perimeter seal and the gap clearance between:
1. The sunroof glass and the roof panel.
2. The two glass panels.
3. Note: 5.8 plusmn; 0.3mm gap all around (without seal) is required and can be measured with the special gap tool, P/N 00 9 341, or similar.
? If any excessive gaps are found, adjust the glass panels as per RA 54 13 003.
? If any damage to the perimeter seal is found, replace this seal as per RA 54 13 055 and adjust the glass panels as per RA 54 13 003.
Cause D: (Inadequate water management)
? If no fault could be found with causes 1-3, perform the following actions:
1. If the vehicle was produced before 10/2005, replace the sunroof cassette per RA 54 13 080
If the vehicle was produced after 10/2005, do not replace the cassette but still perform the following countermeasures.
Note: The cassette available is the color-keyed updated cassette, complete with headliner and glass panels.
2. Apply light electrical contact grease on to all the electrical connectors and emergency call (SOS) switch in the front interior light console. The surface area must be cleaned as necessary.
3. Replace the perimeter seal as per RA 54 13 055.
4. Install the absorbent pad kit as per the instructions provided in the appropriate Absorbent pad kit attachment.
Note: This kit must be installed exactly as shown in the attachment for maximum effectiveness.
5. Perform additional sealing operation as described in the Cassette Sealing attachment.
6. Initialize sunroof per Repair Instruction 54 0 ...
7. Water test to ensure proper water management.
PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number Description Quantity
54 13 7 184 903 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Light Grey 1
54 13 7 184 904 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Light Beige 1
54 13 7 185 572 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Anthracite 1
54 10 7 185 573 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Pastel Green
54 10 3 436 363 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Anthracite 1
54 10 3 435 213 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Basalt Grey 1
54 10 3 435 217 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Light Beige 1
54 10 3 436 311 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Grey 1
54 13 7 184 899 E61 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Grey 1
54 13 7 184 900 E61 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Beige 1
83 23 0 149 149 Electrical contact grease (NyoGel 760G) 1
52 20 3 421 311 E53 Felt Pad 5
51 48 8 211 922 E53 Roof Insulation Material 1
52 20 3 421 311 E61/E83 Felt Pad 2
54 13 7 180 747 E61/E83 Foam Pad 1
54 13 7 072 786 Perimeter Seal ? E53/E61/E83 1
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Defect Code Refer to KSD
Labor Operation: Refer to KSD
Labor Allowance: Refer to KSD
SI B 54 06 06
Special Roofs November 2006
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes S.I. B54 06 06 dated August 2006.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
Water Leak from Panoramic Sunroof
MODEL
E53 (X5 SAV), E61 (5 Series Sport Wagon) and E83 (X3 SAV) equipped with Panoramic Sunroof (S402A)
SITUATION
Customer may complain of a water leak from the overhead console area during heavy rain or when driving/parking on a steep slope facing downhill.
CAUSE
Possible Causes:
A. Obstructed or damaged drains or drain tubes.
B. Void in the windshield urethane bead.
C. Excessive gaps between the glass panels and the perimeter seal.
D. Inadequate water management system in the sunroof cassette.
CORRECTION
In case of a customer complaint, inspect various components of the sunroof system. Perform a leak test and then perform the recommended repair based on the outcome of these inspections.
An improved sunroof cassette with an optimized water management system has been implemented in production since 10/05.
The current improved part is available as a complete color keyed cassette as opposed to the bare frame previously available.
PROCEDURE
Inspect for the following causes and perform the applicable repair.
Cause A: (Obstructed drains)
? Inspect the cassette drains and drain tubes for any obstructions or kinks in the tubes.
? If any concerns are found with these items, they should be cleaned/repaired/replaced as necessary.
Cause B: (Windshield sealant)
? Inspect the top edge of the windshield glass for any possible voids in the urethane bead.
? Using water or compressed air may help in locating a leak.
? If any voids are found, the windshield must be replaced.
Cause C: (Excessive panel gaps)
? Inspect the condition of the perimeter seal and the gap clearance between:
1. The sunroof glass and the roof panel.
2. The two glass panels.
3. Note: 5.8 plusmn; 0.3mm gap all around (without seal) is required and can be measured with the special gap tool, P/N 00 9 341, or similar.
? If any excessive gaps are found, adjust the glass panels as per RA 54 13 003.
? If any damage to the perimeter seal is found, replace this seal as per RA 54 13 055 and adjust the glass panels as per RA 54 13 003.
Cause D: (Inadequate water management)
? If no fault could be found with causes 1-3, perform the following actions:
1. If the vehicle was produced before 10/2005, replace the sunroof cassette per RA 54 13 080
If the vehicle was produced after 10/2005, do not replace the cassette but still perform the following countermeasures.
Note: The cassette available is the color-keyed updated cassette, complete with headliner and glass panels.
2. Apply light electrical contact grease on to all the electrical connectors and emergency call (SOS) switch in the front interior light console. The surface area must be cleaned as necessary.
3. Replace the perimeter seal as per RA 54 13 055.
4. Install the absorbent pad kit as per the instructions provided in the appropriate Absorbent pad kit attachment.
Note: This kit must be installed exactly as shown in the attachment for maximum effectiveness.
5. Perform additional sealing operation as described in the Cassette Sealing attachment.
6. Initialize sunroof per Repair Instruction 54 0 ...
7. Water test to ensure proper water management.
PARTS INFORMATION
Part Number Description Quantity
54 13 7 184 903 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Light Grey 1
54 13 7 184 904 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Light Beige 1
54 13 7 185 572 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Anthracite 1
54 10 7 185 573 E53 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Pastel Green
54 10 3 436 363 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Anthracite 1
54 10 3 435 213 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Basalt Grey 1
54 10 3 435 217 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Light Beige 1
54 10 3 436 311 E83 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Grey 1
54 13 7 184 899 E61 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Grey 1
54 13 7 184 900 E61 Panoramic Sunroof Cassette ? Beige 1
83 23 0 149 149 Electrical contact grease (NyoGel 760G) 1
52 20 3 421 311 E53 Felt Pad 5
51 48 8 211 922 E53 Roof Insulation Material 1
52 20 3 421 311 E61/E83 Felt Pad 2
54 13 7 180 747 E61/E83 Foam Pad 1
54 13 7 072 786 Perimeter Seal ? E53/E61/E83 1
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Defect Code Refer to KSD
Labor Operation: Refer to KSD
Labor Allowance: Refer to KSD
06-29-2009, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pjinca' post='927490' date='Jun 29 2009, 09:29 PM
So I guess there's only one option - move to where it doesn't rain that much, good thing I live in SoCal
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Originally Posted by Axeman' post='927376' date='Jun 29 2009, 12:34 PM
+1 In my E39 it was the vapor barrier inside the door that came loose. Check Sunroof drains make sure they aren't plugged up (these are int he back of the Sunroof casette and or the drainholes in the door itself isnt plugged. In my case it was covered under CPO so Im not sure how much it would have cost to rectify otherwise. this is a prettty simple issue to diagonose/fix.
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Nice write-up on the sunroof drain issue here, READ!
Ironically, the OP from that thread with the same problem has the same rims as you... hmmm ...
coincidence?
Hahaha just kiddin' man, I'm sure it is just a coincidence - just thought it might cheer you up too
This is not an "owner-servicable item", but BMW does take care of most of the cost, but it comes to fixing this.
Ironically, the OP from that thread with the same problem has the same rims as you... hmmm ...
coincidence? Hahaha just kiddin' man, I'm sure it is just a coincidence - just thought it might cheer you up too
This is not an "owner-servicable item", but BMW does take care of most of the cost, but it comes to fixing this.