First big snow with the e60 and All-season tires
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Originally Posted by tuco' post='503314' date='Dec 5 2007, 10:17 PM
I disagree, my original comment is accurate. All-seasons do lose their traction in the cold, and do not stop/handle on ice as well as winter tires. See the link in the post above this for reference. Have you spoken to any tire dealers lately who know about the properties of snow tires vs all-seasons? All-seasons are not the best in the summer and not the best in the winter. You might get lucky and get thru winter on all-seasons, depending on where you live, but ppl who drive in serious winter conditions know that winter tires are superior.
So how do you disagree with what I said (you quoted me afterall
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Not sure why this thread turned into winter is better than all-season. Nobody said they were not superior. The fact is that I got through 4 inches of fresh snow and ice today with my car and I had not even one close call with anything. I live in the city so the snow did not pile and pile. All my point was if you do not want to switch tires or cannot for one reason or another your e60 will do fine with all season tires. I am sure with dedicated winter tires you can go faster and handle even better in the snow but everyone on the road drives pretty slow around here when it snows so there is not much room to zip around even if you could.
Also it was near 0 today and my tires had no problem. You can look it up or call your tire guy but the cold weather thing is not true. I asked this specifically before getting a set so I definetly would not have to switch them at winter and this was the case everywhere I looked into it. Plus any all season or winter tire will be harder compound to begin with over a summer tire. Add to that cold weather and chemisty says it will get even harder. Does not mean it gets too hard to function. The all season tires are designed to handle in light snow in cold temps even though they get harder.
Now you must not have used a good set of all-seasons. The P-zero nero MS and the michelin Pilot sport a/s handle as good as anything in the summer as well unless you are a track person.
Again this is not an arguement for or against. It is saying if for any reason you do not care to switch your tires out or are debating on whether to do it and you do not live in hugely snowy areas, all season tires, a good pair will get you through most anything just fine.
Also it was near 0 today and my tires had no problem. You can look it up or call your tire guy but the cold weather thing is not true. I asked this specifically before getting a set so I definetly would not have to switch them at winter and this was the case everywhere I looked into it. Plus any all season or winter tire will be harder compound to begin with over a summer tire. Add to that cold weather and chemisty says it will get even harder. Does not mean it gets too hard to function. The all season tires are designed to handle in light snow in cold temps even though they get harder.
Now you must not have used a good set of all-seasons. The P-zero nero MS and the michelin Pilot sport a/s handle as good as anything in the summer as well unless you are a track person.
Again this is not an arguement for or against. It is saying if for any reason you do not care to switch your tires out or are debating on whether to do it and you do not live in hugely snowy areas, all season tires, a good pair will get you through most anything just fine.
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Originally Posted by wasupdu' post='503323' date='Dec 5 2007, 08:33 PM
So how do you disagree with what I said (you quoted me afterall
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Originally Posted by iversonm' post='503305' date='Dec 5 2007, 10:46 PM
+1 All seasons are fine in the cold. Summer tires do turn to plastic around that temperature, however.
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Originally Posted by quebecois' post='503326' date='Dec 5 2007, 11:36 PM
The P-zero nero MS and the michelin Pilot sport a/s handle as good as anything in the summer as well unless you are a track person.
Again this is not an arguement for or against. It is saying if for any reason you do not care to switch your tires out or are debating on whether to do it and you do not live in hugely snowy areas, all season tires, a good pair will get you through most anything just fine.
Again this is not an arguement for or against. It is saying if for any reason you do not care to switch your tires out or are debating on whether to do it and you do not live in hugely snowy areas, all season tires, a good pair will get you through most anything just fine.
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Originally Posted by SergeyM' post='503358' date='Dec 6 2007, 01:31 AM
Not true either. I drove yesterday and today with temperatures as low as 27 F (-3 C) and as long as there was no snow/ice on the road my summer tires did just fine. Even in heavy rain. It is true that summer tires start losing there traction below 7 C, but even at -10-15 C they still good enough for a normal driving. Snow or sleet is a different story though. For a decent traction on ice you need studded tires.
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It's still early in the season and temps have not hit their all time lows. Just be careful and don't over estimate the use of your tires.
Good luck, Rick....
ps. I have an XI and I still put on 4 Dunlop winter sport M3 tires. Excellent traction.....
Good luck, Rick....
ps. I have an XI and I still put on 4 Dunlop winter sport M3 tires. Excellent traction.....
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I find it interesting that people seek the absolute shortest braking distances in the dry but in snow and ice many settle for getting by.
Sure, all-seasons will often get by. But you'll corner more securely and stop more quickly with winter tires. And sometimes stopping ten feet shorter can make all the difference.
I started using winter tires a couple of years ago, and cannot imagine going back to all-seasons.
Sure, all-seasons will often get by. But you'll corner more securely and stop more quickly with winter tires. And sometimes stopping ten feet shorter can make all the difference.
I started using winter tires a couple of years ago, and cannot imagine going back to all-seasons.
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Originally Posted by mkaresh' post='503949' date='Dec 7 2007, 08:51 AM
I find it interesting that people seek the absolute shortest braking distances in the dry but in snow and ice many settle for getting by.
Sure, all-seasons will often get by. But you'll corner more securely and stop more quickly with winter tires. And sometimes stopping ten feet shorter can make all the difference.
I started using winter tires a couple of years ago, and cannot imagine going back to all-seasons.
Sure, all-seasons will often get by. But you'll corner more securely and stop more quickly with winter tires. And sometimes stopping ten feet shorter can make all the difference.
I started using winter tires a couple of years ago, and cannot imagine going back to all-seasons.