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Old 08-22-2009, 06:13 PM
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My lease is expiring and have been offered the following. 2010 535i sticker 62,245 sale price $58,825. $0 out of pocket 15k a year 36 months $830 a month. They are giving me a tax credit also, and looks like they are using 00175 mf rather than published 00155.

Let me know thoughts, vehicle is one that is on the lot.

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Originally Posted by britus05' post='985697' date='Aug 22 2009, 10:13 PM
My lease is expiring and have been offered the following. 2010 535i sticker 62,245 sale price $58,825. $0 out of pocket 15k a year 36 months $830 a month. They are giving me a tax credit also, and looks like they are using 00175 mf rather than published 00155.

Let me know thoughts, vehicle is one that is on the lot.

Cheers
Not a great deal. Virtually any BMW dealer will lease you the car at the basew money factor -- not a marked up one. If you tell them that you know that they are marking it up anf tell them that you know what is really is and will walk unless they give you base rate miney factor, they will give it to you.

You should give our fellow member Jeffnnj a shot. He's a client advisor at Wide World of Cars in Spring Valley, NY. Jeff is a fellow E60 enthusiast who actually knows our cars. Try that with the average BMW CA.

I only lease my cars and I have never paid above base rate money factor including on my two BMWs that I have leased.
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Originally Posted by sdg1871' post='985702' date='Aug 22 2009, 09:20 PM
Not a great deal. Virtually any BMW dealer will lease you the car at the basew money factor -- not a marked up one. If you tell them that you know that they are marking it up anf tell them that you know what is really is and will walk unless they give you base rate miney factor, they will give it to you.

You should give our fellow member Jeffnnj a shot. He's a client advisor at Wide World of Cars in Spring Valley, NY. Jeff is a fellow E60 enthusiast who actually knows our cars. Try that with the average BMW CA.

I only lease my cars and I have never paid above base rate money factor including on my two BMWs that I have leased.

Thanks for the quick response. This is the first time out of the last four bmw purchases the dealer has marked up the MF on me. Is the discount portion pretty good? I am trying to find an invoice list online but can't seem to locate one.
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Originally Posted by britus05' post='985705' date='Aug 22 2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the quick response. This is the first time out of the last four bmw purchases the dealer has marked up the MF on me. Is the discount portion pretty good? I am trying to find an invoice list online but can't seem to locate one.
Invoice pricing on all cars is available on Edmunds.com. What are all of your options?
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Originally Posted by britus05' post='985705' date='Aug 22 2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the quick response. This is the first time out of the last four bmw purchases the dealer has marked up the MF on me. Is the discount portion pretty good? I am trying to find an invoice list online but can't seem to locate one.
Here are the MSRP and invoice pricing for the 2010 535i according to Edmunds.com

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2010 BMW 5 Series
535i 4dr Sedan (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)
MSRP Invoice
National Base Price
A note about advertising fees $51,100 $47,010
Select Options
ZMP M Sport Package info $4,500 $4,095
ZSP Sport Package info $2,900 $2,640
5DF Active Cruise Control info $2,400 $2,135
611 Night Vision info $2,200 $1,700
ZPP Premium Package info $2,200 $2,000
609 Navigation System info $1,900 $1,730
217 Active Steering info $1,550 $1,365
LC Dakota Leather Upholstery info $1,450 $1,320
610 Head-Up Display info $1,200 $1,010
677 Logic7 Sound System info $1,200 $1,090
456 Comfort Seats w/Lumbar Support info $1,200 $1,090
322 Comfort Access System info $1,000 $910
5AD Lane Deviation Warning info $950 $865
ZCW Cold Weather Package info $750 $685
508 Park Distance Control (PDC) info $750 $685
ZPP Premium Package info $750 $685
655 Sirius Satellite Radio w/1 Year Subscription info $595 $540
416 Power Rear Sunshade w/Manual Rear Side Window Shades info $575 $525
494 Heated Front Seats info $500 $455
2TB 6-Speed Sport Automatic Transmission w/Shift Paddles info $500 $455
465 Fold Down Rear Seats info $475 $430
6FL iPod and USB Adapter info $400 $365
261 Rear Side-Impact Airbags info $385 $350
653 HD Radio info $350 $315
496 Heated Rear Seats info $350 $320
5AC High Beam Assistant info $250 $230
464 Ski Bag info $100 $90
205 6-Speed STEPTRONIC Automatic Transmission info $0 $0
ZVP Value Package info $0 $0
4MS Pentan Aluminum Trim info $0 $0
437 Light Poplar Wood Trim info $0 $0
4BY Bamboo Anthracite Wood Trim info $0 $0
653 HD Radio info $0 $0
LC Dakota Leather Upholstery info $0 $0

Here are the August lease numbers according to Leasecompare.com:

2010 MODELS

2010 BMW 528i Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00145 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00145 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 37% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 31% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW 528i xDrive Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW 535i Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW 535i xDrive Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00165 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00165 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 35% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 29% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW 535i xDrive Sport Wagon
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00165 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00165 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 26% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW 550i Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 24% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW M5 Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 59% of MSRP ? .00175 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 55% of MSRP ? .00175 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 25% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW 650i Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 54% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 26% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
2010 BMW 650i Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 33% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 27% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2010 BMW M6 Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 33% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 26% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
2010 BMW M6 Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 35% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 MODELS

2009 BMW 128i Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 66% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 41% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 128i Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 67% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 59% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 44% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 135i Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 66% of MSRP ? .00220 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 59% of MSRP ? .00220 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 41% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 135i Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 66% of MSRP ? .00250 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 59% of MSRP ? .00250 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 42% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328i Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00220 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00220 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 38% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328xi Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 37% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 31% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328i Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00150 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00150 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 31% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328xi Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00135 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00135 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 31% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328i Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00180 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00180 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 39% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328i Wagon
24 Month ? Residual 59% of MSRP ? .00215 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 55% of MSRP ? .00215 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 328xi Wagon
24 Month ? Residual 60% of MSRP ? .00215 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00215 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 335i Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 335xi Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 60% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00225 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 35% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 29% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 335d Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00250 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 53% of MSRP ? .00250 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 39% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 33% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
$595 / 36mo Lease Special >> HERE <<

2009 BMW 335i Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 60% of MSRP ? .00165 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00165 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 37% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 31% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 335xi Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00145 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00145 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 37% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 31% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 335i Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00180 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00180 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW M3 Sedan
24 Month ? Residual 54% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 49% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 37% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
$938 / 39mo Lease Special >> HERE <<

2009 BMW M3 Coupe
24 Month ? Residual 54% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 50% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 38% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
$987 / 39mo Lease Special >> HERE <<

2009 BMW M3 Convertible
24 Month ? Residual 50% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 47% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 29% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
$1,214 / 39mo Lease Special >> HERE <<

2009 BMW 750i
24 Month ? Residual 49% of MSRP ? .00090 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 44% of MSRP ? .00090 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 33% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 27% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW 750Li
24 Month ? Residual 50% of MSRP ? .00090 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 45% of MSRP ? .00090 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 33% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW X3 xDrive30i
24 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00235 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 53% of MSRP ? .00235 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 25% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW X5 xDrive 30i
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00180 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 55% of MSRP ? .00180 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW X5 xDrive 35d
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00250 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 55% of MSRP ? .00250 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
$698 / 39mo Lease Special >> HERE <<

2009 BMW X5 xDrive 48i
24 Month ? Residual 62% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00155 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 25% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW X6 xDrive 35i
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 57% of MSRP ? .00200 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 32% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW X6 xDrive 50i
24 Month ? Residual 61% of MSRP ? .00175 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 58% of MSRP ? .00175 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 25% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW Z4 sDrive30i
24 Month ? Residual 63% of MSRP ? .00125 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00125 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 36% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 30% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

2009 BMW Z4 sDrive35i
24 Month ? Residual 63% of MSRP ? .00145 Base Rate
36 Month ? Residual 56% of MSRP ? .00145 Base Rate
48 Month ? Residual 34% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate
60 Month ? Residual 28% of MSRP ? .00265 Base Rate

Residuals posted are for 15K miles/year. Add 2% to Residual for 12k mi/yr and 3% for 10k mi/yr on all terms
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Originally Posted by britus05' post='985705' date='Aug 22 2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the quick response. This is the first time out of the last four bmw purchases the dealer has marked up the MF on me. Is the discount portion pretty good? I am trying to find an invoice list online but can't seem to locate one.
Do not accept a marked up money factor.
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The vehicle is a 2010 with the following options:

M Sport Package, Premium, value, sport automatic trans with shift paddles, comfort access, power rear shade and manual side, heated front seats, navigation, and satellite radio.

Alpine White/black leather....

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Originally Posted by britus05' post='985728' date='Aug 22 2009, 11:02 PM
The vehicle is a 2010 with the following options:

M Sport Package, Premium, value, sport automatic trans with shift paddles, comfort access, power rear shade and manual side, heated front seats, navigation, and satellite radio.

Alpine White/black leather....

thanks
Here is what Edmunds says the price is (number on left is MSPR and number on right is invoice:

2010 BMW 5 Series
535i 4dr Sedan (3.0L 6cyl Turbo 6M)


MSRP Invoice
National Base Price
A note about advertising fees $51,100 $47,010

Optional Equipment $11,770 $10,710
ZMP M Sport Package $4,500 $4,095
ZPP Premium Package $2,200 $2,000
609 Navigation System $1,900 $1,730
322 Comfort Access System $1,000 $910
655 Sirius Satellite Radio w/1 Year Subscription $595 $540
416 Power Rear Sunshade w/Manual Rear Side Window Shades $575 $525
494 Heated Front Seats $500 $455
2TB 6-Speed Sport Automatic Transmission w/Shift Paddles $500 $455
ZVP Value Package $0 $0
Destination Charge $825 $825
Total with Options $63,695 $58,545

Note that on leftover 2009s, BMW is offering dealers $5,000 marketing support. That does not apply to 2010s.
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