Does BMW design certain parts to fail on purpose?
09-30-2009, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 968turboS' post='1021233' date='Sep 30 2009, 01:18 PM
Just to add to all this, why does BMW or German manufacturers in general use parts that fail a lot faster than their Japanese counterparts. I don't want to buy a Japanese car or plan to but you have to commend them for their reliability.
Parts like window regulators, alternators, waterpumps are all non issue items on Japanese cars. It's a shame that they can't do a better job on these constantly failing parts.
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Parts like window regulators, alternators, waterpumps are all non issue items on Japanese cars. It's a shame that they can't do a better job on these constantly failing parts.
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09-30-2009, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by skelevirus' post='1021256' date='Sep 30 2009, 11:33 AM
thats confusing as well puck, if theyre saving money how come everything is getting more expensive? they are deff not passing the savings on to us the consumer.. 
09-30-2009, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by porsche911targa' post='1021270' date='Sep 30 2009, 02:44 PM
This is a misconception. Everybody always says that they are more reliable just because they keep hearing it over and over. if you do your research, you would find this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...showtopic=38088
or this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...showtopic=33974
or this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...&pid=360722
or this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...showtopic=10189
Does any of this sound familiar?
or this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...showtopic=33974
or this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...&pid=360722
or this: http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index...showtopic=10189
Does any of this sound familiar?
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09-30-2009, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 968turboS' post='1021333' date='Sep 30 2009, 08:36 PM
It's not what I hear, it's what I see with my own eyes. I do my own wrenching and maintain all my own cars. As you can see, I own 4 german cars so I have 1st hand experience. I also have relatives that own japanese cars that just run forever. You can keep remaining in denial but the fact is that japanese cars are made better. I still wouldn't buy them over german cars though!
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Yes and no. Lexus is an attempt of toyota to hit luxury German cars. Unfortunately, packing it with gizmos and high tech as the european brands, led to inherit their lower reliability record.
It is quite known Lexus suffers from reliability issues, mainly electrical.
For the rest of the Japanese brands. They are not made "better" . They are made to be mechanically reliable. Cheap and efficient with excellent design resulting in good reliability. They probably use lesser materials with better durability just because they know how to design it and where to mount it.
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Originally Posted by Krozi' post='1021131' date='Sep 30 2009, 01:06 PM
But honestly.... I can't give zyou an answer
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They dont design parts to fail quite litrally, however everything is built to a cost, and of course the lower that cost the lesser the life expectancy, that cost IMHO has reduced considerably for many major parts over the years which is why IMHO BMW's are not built to last like they were used to.
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That's not really confined to BMWs only though. It's a common thing among all manufacturers, even the japanese ones. Go to other forums and you'll soon realise even the hardcore reliable cars are not so reliable anymore. ALL cars start to show problems after the 5 year mark, just some more than others.
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Originally Posted by skelevirus' post='1021256' date='Sep 30 2009, 11:33 AM
thats confusing as well puck, if theyre saving money how come everything is getting more expensive? they are deff not passing the savings on to us the consumer..
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Keep in mind BMW dont build any of these parts its where they source them from. So a window regulator breaking is not BMW's design that it'll fail after X many hours of use.