Confusinon around seating in my '08 on order
11-03-2007, 10:04 PM
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My Ride: New ride from 14th May�07: 525iA LCI, Sport Suspension, Deep Sea Blue, Leather Dakota Natural Brown, Hi-Gloss Black trim, Star Spoke 124 18", Comfort Seats with memory,
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Originally Posted by Ricracing' post='489516' date='Nov 3 2007, 09:03 PM
Thank's again TitangrauII530iA,
Great input!
Please comment on this (Finnish prices before new autotax)
456 Comfort Seats 3.060 ?
Only with FL/LC but not with KB/AL
FL = Reflex fabric/leather = 1.210 ?
LC = Dakota leather = 3,060 ?
KB = fabric
AL = leatherette
Comfort Seats with FL would cost 4,270
I suppose the Comfort Seats do include 488? (see below)
- - - -- -
481 = Sport seats 870 ?
Only with FL/LC
459 = electrical adjustment 1.680 ?
488 = electrical lower back support 550 ?
Sport Seats + FL + 459 + 488 = 4.310?
Great input!
Please comment on this (Finnish prices before new autotax)
456 Comfort Seats 3.060 ?
Only with FL/LC but not with KB/AL
FL = Reflex fabric/leather = 1.210 ?
LC = Dakota leather = 3,060 ?
KB = fabric
AL = leatherette
Comfort Seats with FL would cost 4,270
I suppose the Comfort Seats do include 488? (see below)
- - - -- -
481 = Sport seats 870 ?
Only with FL/LC
459 = electrical adjustment 1.680 ?
488 = electrical lower back support 550 ?
Sport Seats + FL + 459 + 488 = 4.310?
In Finland comfort seats include 459 and 488.
BR
11-03-2007, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by redwhiteblue' post='489494' date='Nov 3 2007, 05:49 PM
Ah so it moves even further forward automatically when your head moves forward? I take it its only if a crash situation happens because I often do not pin my head against the head rest and instead have it forward but then will lean head back and rest it-back and forth so I would not want it moving constantly.
That is fine and well-makes sense. But in genereal were not the old comfort seats still better than 95 percent of seats out there for the simple fact they did have an adjustable upperback and head rest. IF you look at most seats they do not have a piece that you can move forward like the old comfort seats to where you can move your upper back and neck/head up signifigantly forward. Usually on seats you are sitting with the lower back into the seat and a bunch of room between your upperback/neck/head and the seat itself-
I just do not get how bmw scored that poorly compared to other cars-boggles me
That is fine and well-makes sense. But in genereal were not the old comfort seats still better than 95 percent of seats out there for the simple fact they did have an adjustable upperback and head rest. IF you look at most seats they do not have a piece that you can move forward like the old comfort seats to where you can move your upper back and neck/head up signifigantly forward. Usually on seats you are sitting with the lower back into the seat and a bunch of room between your upperback/neck/head and the seat itself-
I just do not get how bmw scored that poorly compared to other cars-boggles me
That's right - they only move in a crash situation.
I agree with you completely regarding the adjustable upper backrest section on the comfort seats (which is still included on the 2008 comfort seats).
This feature is the main reason that I have decided to go for a 5 series as I only recently discovered it.
I have driven 5 series with both standard and sports seats and found them both to be uncomfortable for the reason you describe - both seats 'slope away' rearwards in the upper back area, giving no support here at all and leaving a 'gap' between your upper back and the seat. If you put the back rests upwards to attempt to rectify, you get too much pressure in the lower back.
I think that this is a major design fault and several road tests that I've read in UK motoring magazines refer to the 5 series being uncomfortable on long journeys.
The poor seating in the 5 series was the sole reason that I went for a 3 series last time as I didn't know that the comfort seats had independent adjustment for the upper backrest section. Now that I've discovered comfort seats, I can get a 5 series at last!
As far as I know, the 5 series failed to get top marks in crash testes due to poor 'pedestrian safety'. I don't know any detail on this though.
11-04-2007, 05:10 AM
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Russ1974 was correct about the US. We get 2 choices. Standard 10 way seats in all base models with optional 4 way lumber and optional multi-contour seats (aka comfort seats). The multi-contour seats come with the sport package in all models.
Re the poor rating on headrests, per the IIHS web site, they test with the headrests in the lowest most rear-ward position claiming most people aren't smart enough to adjust them properly. In the E39s I had and the 650i you could manually swivel the headrest forward. I always did. Wit the multi-contour seat, you can't (except for the wings). I adjust the upper back rest to give me more shoulder support and bring the headrests forward some.
That's why BMW went to active headrests in all seats to adjust them forward in a rear accident. Does anyone have pics of a September '07 build or newer with the multi-contour seats? I wonder if they changed as well?
Re the poor rating on headrests, per the IIHS web site, they test with the headrests in the lowest most rear-ward position claiming most people aren't smart enough to adjust them properly. In the E39s I had and the 650i you could manually swivel the headrest forward. I always did. Wit the multi-contour seat, you can't (except for the wings). I adjust the upper back rest to give me more shoulder support and bring the headrests forward some.
That's why BMW went to active headrests in all seats to adjust them forward in a rear accident. Does anyone have pics of a September '07 build or newer with the multi-contour seats? I wonder if they changed as well?
11-04-2007, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by joelk01' post='489747' date='Nov 4 2007, 10:06 AM
hold on, please. for USA MY 08, arent comfort and sport the same seat?
11-04-2007, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by joelk01' post='489747' date='Nov 4 2007, 11:06 AM
hold on, please. for USA MY 08, arent comfort and sport the same seat?
11-04-2007, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JSpira' post='489750' date='Nov 4 2007, 09:16 AM
No. The sport seat is not available.
11-04-2007, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Russ1974' post='489763' date='Nov 4 2007, 11:52 AM
...and neither are "comfort"!! You get multi-contour 20 way. Not comfort
11-04-2007, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JSpira' post='489766' date='Nov 4 2007, 09:55 AM
Other than naming convention, is there a difference between "multi-countour 20 way seats" and the Comfort Seat?
11-04-2007, 07:56 AM
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So if you are "smart enough" the old comfort seats provide as good of support as the new ones providing you keep it adjusted where there is none/minimal space between your upper back/neck and the cushion behind? That is annoying to describe-not sure of how else to say it.
I literally phsyics wise cannot see any difference providing you do this. So this is for the non comfort seats primarly that cannot adjust this part and people NOT smart enough to figure out you can do this or people who simply do not like doing this for whatever reason
I literally phsyics wise cannot see any difference providing you do this. So this is for the non comfort seats primarly that cannot adjust this part and people NOT smart enough to figure out you can do this or people who simply do not like doing this for whatever reason