aybeesea

So to finally understand, you're pursuing a "warrantable solution" because of BMWUK's failure to train the dealer.

Of course if BMWUK say it's the dealer's responsibility to read, query and understand the Product Launch Support Literature... (let's hope they don't)...

ABC

bob.a

I agree that if there was Product Launch Support Information covering the matter adequately when the order configurator started accepting Customer's orders and the dealer either overlooked it, or failed to train his staff, then it is the dealer's mess after all. My guess is that there was no such information at that stage, so it is BMW's mess; but I've no idea whether that means BMW UK, or some other part of BMW.

aybeesea

Difficult to draw a conclusion from that type of premise IMHO.

ABC

bruce_miranda

The way the Pre-LCI cars were wired were as follows.

Fuse 87 - Front socket and passenger footwell socket (US)
Fuse 88 - Both Rear sockets and boot socket.

You could tap into Fuse 88 via pins on a connector on the fuse box.

For the Fuse 87 to need to also tap into a connector X11012 on the rear fuse box over the battery. This is a large 32 pin connector and you will need to use pin 25 for the front socket (Green/White wire) and pin 24 for the passenger footwell socket (Green/Black wire). My biggest fear is that the wiring loom may not be present so it will require a very long wire from the front of the car all the way to the back fuse box.

I have WDS10 which doesnt seem to have the LCI cars on it. So all this information is for Pre-LCI car built after 2006-09

Lord Monkey

Could I just check, do you have a UK spec car? There seems to be differences between UK and specs for other countries.

Lord Monkey

Bob.a

I had a look in the price list booklet for the LCI 5 series, the one that sets out the option prices and detailed specs. This states that the power sockets are retained when the smokers package is deleted, although it is not clear which power sockets they mean. It certainly has no warning that the front power outlet is deleted...

Have you checked under or around the glove box? Bruce Miranda says that he has a power socket under there somewhere, but not sure if his car is UK spec.

I may try to amend my order to put the smokers pack back in, but I suspect it may be too late...

bruce_miranda

I have a UK spec car which as mentioned did NOT have the passenger footwell socket as found in the US spec cars. However as mentioned its very easy to retrofit that socket as you simply need to extend the front socket into the passenger footwell.
As for the issue with the LCI cars I understand that both the front socket and the passenger footwell socket are missing. So if you want to make an official retrofit you will need to pull a wire all the back to the fuse box over the battery.

The easiest thing in my opinion is to simply extend the rear sockets to the front socket. That way you only need a small bit of wire running inside of the armrest.

bob.a

Lord Monkey

1) That price list was superceded by a new version (the current version) in which the Option (441) Descripion column reads "Can be deleted, which replaces the ashtrays with oddment trays. The 12V socket in the front is also deleted." I don't know when this version was distributed, but it is dated March 2007 - the same as the version you looked at.

2) Yes, there's definitely no front passenger footwell socket. My guess is the absence has something to do with the RHD design conversion. (There's also no socket on the Driver's side, though I suppose that might be considered unsafe.)

3) In your position I would attempt to get the change made, if only to lay a clear marker as to what your expectation was when you placed the order. It's a tricky problem to deal with once you've taken delivery.

tume

Hi,

can you show some pictures of where is the exact place? Thanks.

bruce_miranda

http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=20432