Car stuck again-won't go into neutral
08-07-2005, 12:16 PM
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Car won't go into neutral so won't start for the third time. Had to leave it again because towing company needs neutral to tow it. My first two episodes are in these threads:
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=13922&hl=
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?show...48&hl=pennetta
July 22nd-The first time the tried to duplicate issue, it did not happen while they had it. So they wrote it off to a glitch.
August 1st- The second time they replaced the brake light switch, updated the SMG software, cleared the adaptive memory, re-calibrated trans and something called special measure SMG module.
August 7th- Stuck again.
Is this strictly a SMG thing? What else should they check/replace?
I am going to the car again later to see if I can start it. HELP.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=13922&hl=
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?show...48&hl=pennetta
July 22nd-The first time the tried to duplicate issue, it did not happen while they had it. So they wrote it off to a glitch.
August 1st- The second time they replaced the brake light switch, updated the SMG software, cleared the adaptive memory, re-calibrated trans and something called special measure SMG module.
August 7th- Stuck again.
Is this strictly a SMG thing? What else should they check/replace?
I am going to the car again later to see if I can start it. HELP.
08-07-2005, 01:10 PM
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Hi Pennetta,
Sorry to hear about all the trouble you're having. In process of ordering a 550i and will be waiting until the SMG option is available. I've spent many hours on this forum to "see" if such a phenomenon exists with the Steptronic or 6-speed. No such luck. IMHO I believe the SMG construction/design is so different from the other two transmissions (No mechanical hardware under the shifter, but semiconductor components, right?) that this "Can't get it into neutral" thing is only happening on the SMG transmissions.
I too would welcome any insight into this phenomenon. Are any April 2005 and beyond BMWs w/ SMG still having this problem?
Good Luck Pennetta. I hope they find a fix for your SMG problem.
SMG Rocks, when it works.
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Sorry to hear about all the trouble you're having. In process of ordering a 550i and will be waiting until the SMG option is available. I've spent many hours on this forum to "see" if such a phenomenon exists with the Steptronic or 6-speed. No such luck. IMHO I believe the SMG construction/design is so different from the other two transmissions (No mechanical hardware under the shifter, but semiconductor components, right?) that this "Can't get it into neutral" thing is only happening on the SMG transmissions.
I too would welcome any insight into this phenomenon. Are any April 2005 and beyond BMWs w/ SMG still having this problem?
Good Luck Pennetta. I hope they find a fix for your SMG problem.
SMG Rocks, when it works.
-Tony
08-07-2005, 02:07 PM
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Cooltones, Thanks. I just got back from trying to start it again and it started so at least I have it home now. I'll bring it in tomorrow morning. Bye-the-Bye, I checked the NY State Lemon Law and if you write off your car on your income taxes then it considered a work vehicle and not a pleasure vehicle which it needs to be to qualify for Lemon Law protection. I'm a Corporate Real Estate Broker where I write off a percentage of my car so I guess I'm not covered under the Lemon Law. I rather them fix it anyway but I'm starting to lose my confidence.
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Originally Posted by pennetta' date='Aug 7 2005, 10:16 PM
...because towing company needs neutral to tow it...
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Find a towing company that uses this:
Problems like this are what the cranes are made for...
08-07-2005, 03:51 PM
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Got the same behaviour with a 330 SMG.
It seemed to happen more during short stops on hot days. The problem does not even register in the car computer (it does not think it has a problem).
The car got destroyed in an accident, so I never really figured out the problem, but I kind of remember that the order of stuff mattered, between foot on brakes and inserting/turning the key.
Good luck
Fred
It seemed to happen more during short stops on hot days. The problem does not even register in the car computer (it does not think it has a problem).
The car got destroyed in an accident, so I never really figured out the problem, but I kind of remember that the order of stuff mattered, between foot on brakes and inserting/turning the key.
Good luck
Fred
08-07-2005, 04:00 PM
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Yikes again? This is worrying... I figured it wasnt the brake light assembly... but I was hoping that a combination of things that the dealer did for you would have cured it, I guess not.
I think ipse dixit might be closer to the problem... need to replace the hydralic pump.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=...ndpost&p=155521
Humm you know what... the car does start up the hydralic pump when we unlock it right? what if you go outside lock the car wait a bit till you hear the car "shutdown" then unlock the car again and hear it "wakeup" thats when it starts up the pump.
I think ipse dixit might be closer to the problem... need to replace the hydralic pump.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=...ndpost&p=155521
Humm you know what... the car does start up the hydralic pump when we unlock it right? what if you go outside lock the car wait a bit till you hear the car "shutdown" then unlock the car again and hear it "wakeup" thats when it starts up the pump.
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Originally Posted by Iceman' date='Aug 7 2005, 06:18 PM
[quote name='pennetta' date='Aug 7 2005, 10:16 PM']...because towing company needs neutral to tow it...
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Find a towing company that uses this:
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Problems like this are what the cranes are made for...
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[/quote]Ahem ... we are in the US here ... thats way tooo modern for us over here! lol i have only seen 1 of them ever, and that was in ATL when they removed my Audi A4 Quattro while in gear, and the ebrake on ... parked in the wrong spot. lol
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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' date='Aug 7 2005, 05:00 PM
Yikes again? This is worrying... I figured it wasnt the brake light assembly... but I was hoping that a combination of things that the dealer did for you would have cured it, I guess not.
I think ipse dixit might be closer to the problem... need to replace the hydralic pump.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=...ndpost&p=155521
Humm you know what... the car does start up the hydralic pump when we unlock it right? what if you go outside lock the car wait a bit till you hear the car "shutdown" then unlock the car again and hear it "wakeup" thats when it starts up the pump.
I think ipse dixit might be closer to the problem... need to replace the hydralic pump.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=...ndpost&p=155521
Humm you know what... the car does start up the hydralic pump when we unlock it right? what if you go outside lock the car wait a bit till you hear the car "shutdown" then unlock the car again and hear it "wakeup" thats when it starts up the pump.
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While my M3 has the SMG II, the SMG system on the E60 is similar and operates via pump actuators. If those are malfunctioning because of faulty sensors, your car will not engage (or disengage as the case may be).
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by pennetta' date='Aug 7 2005, 03:16 PM
Car won't go into neutral so won't start for the third time. Had to leave it again because towing company needs neutral to tow it. My first two episodes are in these threads:
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=13922&hl=
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?show...48&hl=pennetta
July 22nd-The first time the tried to duplicate issue, it did not happen while they had it. So they wrote it off to a glitch.
August 1st- The second time they replaced the brake light switch, updated the SMG software, cleared the adaptive memory, re-calibrated trans and something called special measure SMG module.
August 7th- Stuck again.
Is this strictly a SMG thing? What else should they check/replace?
I am going to the car again later to see if I can start it. HELP.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=13922&hl=
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?show...48&hl=pennetta
July 22nd-The first time the tried to duplicate issue, it did not happen while they had it. So they wrote it off to a glitch.
August 1st- The second time they replaced the brake light switch, updated the SMG software, cleared the adaptive memory, re-calibrated trans and something called special measure SMG module.
August 7th- Stuck again.
Is this strictly a SMG thing? What else should they check/replace?
I am going to the car again later to see if I can start it. HELP.
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