The Future OF BMW Service
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Originally Posted by Alex.br' post='380340' date='Jan 18 2007, 05:43 PM
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Pretty neat. One thing to remember is that demos always work well -- let's see how well these things will work in the field...
At least the technician has a couple cupholders on his tool tray!
At least the technician has a couple cupholders on his tool tray!
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Sorry Rudy,
I have to disagree.
That is NOT a technician, that is just an overpaid monkey.
We all know that some BMW "tech's" know less about our cars than we do, and this will take it one step further. BMW will not need "skilled" men to do jobs, just a set of fancy shades.
Would you knowingly entrust your pride and joy to someone who may be intellectually challenged??
Not me.
I have to disagree.
That is NOT a technician, that is just an overpaid monkey.
We all know that some BMW "tech's" know less about our cars than we do, and this will take it one step further. BMW will not need "skilled" men to do jobs, just a set of fancy shades.
Would you knowingly entrust your pride and joy to someone who may be intellectually challenged??
Not me.
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Originally Posted by AlwynMike' post='381320' date='Jan 21 2007, 03:23 PM
Would you knowingly entrust your pride and joy to someone who may be intellectually challenged??
Not me.[/font]
Not me.[/font]
I agree with you that the video shows a guy who is merely reduced to a parts replacer (or monkey) but unfortunately, I think that's the direction the automotive repair business has been heading for some time now. No, I'm not advocating it, I'm just looking at it realistically.
Obviously, there are exceptions to the "intellectually challenged" tech (mine, for example, is really awesome) but even the good guys rely heavily on the upstream support from BMW -- be it PuMA or just TIS information and TSB's. There's no way even a highly skilled and intelligent technician could fix our cars without some reliance on these types of things. (I really feel sorry for the independent shops who are forced to invest in high-tech tools or risk not being able to perform the service in the first place...)
The newfangled glasses that show how to change the part is more likely designed to cut down on the labor hours (or nail down an accurate amount of hours that will be reimbursed through warranty claims, etc.) because someone will still have to diagnose and troubleshoot the problem before they even put the glasses on their heads.
The other thing that will happen, as I think you may be implying, is that there will be more low-level parts replacers at the dealership who take orders from the higer-level techs. The techs will diagnose and troubleshoot the issue then pass the car on to the lower-level guys to put the goggles on and do the dirty work.
Either way, I don't think it's avoidable and, in some ways, can help eliminate some of the horror stories we hear on these boards about how much the dealer screwed up someone's car...
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Rudy,
As usual, you speak a lot of sense.
I don't have a high regard for Dealer servicing. I don't have a favourite Tech as I try to keep my cars out of the Dealers and on the road. I don't have a favourite Indy as, so far, my BMW's have been pretty reliable.
I do try to do as much as I can myself, using my years of accumulated knowledge of thing mechanical and electronic - my Old Man owned an Independant Garage, and I trained in Electronics myself. Saying that, a lot of my car is alien to me, and as you rightly say, a man that knows everything about ONE car is very rare, never mind a man who knows one MAKE of car.
I think I am just a dyed-in-the-wool cynic, especially having seen cars come through my Old Man's garage that had been subject to Dealer abuse.
OK, everyone has to start somewhere, but the skilled tech will take half the time to do a job than a monkey with a set of shades. That is what he's paid for.
I certainly don't think that this scenario will be confined to BMW, and contrary to popular belief (in the UK at least), us BMW owners are not paying the highest service bills. Indeed I have an aquaintance who paid about 3 times as much for servicing his VW Passat than I did for my old 330d. He's now running a Mercedes with lower service bills, but he's still paying more than me!
As usual, you speak a lot of sense.
I don't have a high regard for Dealer servicing. I don't have a favourite Tech as I try to keep my cars out of the Dealers and on the road. I don't have a favourite Indy as, so far, my BMW's have been pretty reliable.
I do try to do as much as I can myself, using my years of accumulated knowledge of thing mechanical and electronic - my Old Man owned an Independant Garage, and I trained in Electronics myself. Saying that, a lot of my car is alien to me, and as you rightly say, a man that knows everything about ONE car is very rare, never mind a man who knows one MAKE of car.
I think I am just a dyed-in-the-wool cynic, especially having seen cars come through my Old Man's garage that had been subject to Dealer abuse.
OK, everyone has to start somewhere, but the skilled tech will take half the time to do a job than a monkey with a set of shades. That is what he's paid for.
I certainly don't think that this scenario will be confined to BMW, and contrary to popular belief (in the UK at least), us BMW owners are not paying the highest service bills. Indeed I have an aquaintance who paid about 3 times as much for servicing his VW Passat than I did for my old 330d. He's now running a Mercedes with lower service bills, but he's still paying more than me!
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