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Old 11-16-2005, 06:15 PM
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I guess that with all the exotics (Lambo, Maseratti, Ferrari, etc), BMW, Audi and now the motorcycling world offering a SMG like transmission option, I don't see this as a passing fad and feel that this will go more mainstream.
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Yup faze out Automatic and all will have DSG or ZSG transmissions!
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Is only the matter of time before power robbing autos will be replace by systems like SMG. In the future, the SMG will be just as reliable as autos are today.
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I thought all motorcycles transmissions were sequential already...?
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Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='199605' date='Nov 17 2005, 01:48 PM
I thought all motorcycles transmissions were sequential already...?
Motorcycles are true sequential transmissions, the E60, M3 and Z4 are not. The new M5/M6 are however. But the point was that all motorcycles had a hand operated clutch, this Yamaha does not. It has an up/down shift toggle and an electronically actuated clutch.
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Originally Posted by pennetta' post='199611' date='Nov 17 2005, 02:01 PM
Motorcycles are true sequential transmissions, the E60, M3 and Z4 are not. The new M5/M6 are however.
Why is the M5/M6 sequential and the M3/E60/Z4 not sequential?
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Originally Posted by jet190rs' post='199624
Motorcycles are true sequential transmissions, the E60, M3 and Z4 are not. The new M5/M6 are however.
Why is the M5/M6 sequential and the M3/E60/Z4 not sequential?
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I dont know if sequential is the right word to use.. but the M5/M6 gear shift pattern layout is not triditional...

NOT

1 3 5
2 4 6

but is somthing like

R 1 2 4
7 6 5 3

its odd... I'll have to look for the pic.

here is it...

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Originally Posted by EBMCS03' post='199645
Originally Posted by pennetta' post='199611' date='Nov 17 2005, 02:01 PM
Motorcycles are true sequential transmissions, the E60, M3 and Z4 are not. The new M5/M6 are however.
Why is the M5/M6 sequential and the M3/E60/Z4 not sequential?

I dont know if sequential is the right word to use.. but the M5/M6 gear shift pattern layout is not triditional...

NOT

1 3 5
2 4 6

but is somthing like

R 1 2 4
7 6 5 3

its odd... I'll have to look for the pic.
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Sequential, as it relates to a tranny, means that you MUST go through each gear to get to the next one. Autos have designs that let you go from 1st directly to 4th, 3rd to 1st, etc. A sequential is like a motorcycles transmission, in order to go from 1st to 4th you must go through 2ndf and 3rd. BMW's act like a sequential because of the electronics but the actual tranny is a typical 6-speed and not specifically designed for SMG. The external shifting mechanism was designed to work with the traditional tranny. In the new M5/M6 I understand the tranny was designed from scratch to be a sequential unit, thus making the electronics/hydraulics simpler.
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