Hyundai Genesis
09-05-2008, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by slickE60' post='662936' date='Sep 6 2008, 06:53 AM
It's still a Hyundai, the poor man's car...
09-05-2008, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='662832' date='Sep 6 2008, 04:53 AM
I strongly suspect that their strategy, quite correctly, is the polar opposite. The Genesis is intended to help grow the reputation of the entire brand. Their aggressive comparisons with established high and higher end brands (Porsche, BMW, Lexus etc) clearly show that this is the intent of their marketing strategy (and I believe it to be the correct approach). Quite simply, if they were to cut this car loose and use it to launch a new nameplate it would do a lot less for the existing Hyundai brand.
09-05-2008, 02:05 PM
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Lots of new luxury attempts have claimed better performance, features and styling, but have generally failed to make a dent in the market. The only such attempt to do so that succeeded recently was Lexus.
I would say Infiniti, Acura, Phaeton have all failed to make a dent into 5/7 series territory. Although Genesis might be a very good car, it takes more than a good car to become a player.
I haven't driven one yet, so i'll hold judgment on the car itself.
I would say Infiniti, Acura, Phaeton have all failed to make a dent into 5/7 series territory. Although Genesis might be a very good car, it takes more than a good car to become a player.
I haven't driven one yet, so i'll hold judgment on the car itself.
09-05-2008, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by omszz' post='662950' date='Sep 5 2008, 06:05 PM
Lots of new luxury attempts have claimed better performance, features and styling, but have generally failed to make a dent in the market. The only such attempt to do so that succeeded recently was Lexus.
I would say Infiniti, Acura, Phaeton have all failed to make a dent into 5/7 series territory. Although Genesis might be a very good car, it takes more than a good car to become a player.
I haven't driven one yet, so i'll hold judgment on the car itself.
I would say Infiniti, Acura, Phaeton have all failed to make a dent into 5/7 series territory. Although Genesis might be a very good car, it takes more than a good car to become a player.
I haven't driven one yet, so i'll hold judgment on the car itself.
I'd be happy if it drives the cost of other cars down. It need only be good to serve that purpose - who cares if any of us will ever buy it? Competition is good. If anything, there's too much parity with cost, perceived quality, and prestige among the Germans and the luxury Japanese. There's a small percentage of folks who hold out for German and German alone, but the lions share is up for grabs.
It'll be good to have a new "other" nipping at the established luxury-sport car makers' heels.
09-05-2008, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames' post='662363' date='Sep 5 2008, 01:01 AM
That's impressive. 0.94G cornering from a full-size sedan which also has the ability to out-accelerate a 750i is an amazing result. Hyundai may not yet have the brand it wants or as much badge cachet as it wants, but neither did Lexus many moons ago. Discount these guys at your peril, my friends. Over time, Hyundai will properly transition into the near luxury category. More quality product like this, and some of the opinions posted here will have to change...
The latest C&D has a test. 0-60 in 6.0 seconds. A 550i is > 1 second faster. A 750i should do mid 5s. It's not much faster than a base 528i which is at mid 6s. BTW, they mention they could not get the auto to shift anywhere close to the HP peak.
Also, C&D got a mere .83 Gs handling and 170ft 70-0 braking with the Genesis and mentioned a floaty ride and numb stearing. I GUARANTEE my 550i could spank it around a road course such as VIR.
09-05-2008, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard in NC' post='663000' date='Sep 5 2008, 04:26 PM
Where in the H did they get .94 corning? I would not trust a Hyundai test, only an independent one.
The latest C&D has a test. 0-60 in 6.0 seconds. A 550i is > 1 second faster. A 750i should do mid 5s. It's not much faster than a base 528i which is at mid 6s. BTW, they mention they could not get the auto to shift anywhere close to the HP peak.
Also, C&D got a mere .83 Gs handling and 170ft 70-0 braking with the Genesis and mentioned a floaty ride and numb stearing. I GUARANTEE my 550i could spank it around a road course such as VIR.
The latest C&D has a test. 0-60 in 6.0 seconds. A 550i is > 1 second faster. A 750i should do mid 5s. It's not much faster than a base 528i which is at mid 6s. BTW, they mention they could not get the auto to shift anywhere close to the HP peak.
Also, C&D got a mere .83 Gs handling and 170ft 70-0 braking with the Genesis and mentioned a floaty ride and numb stearing. I GUARANTEE my 550i could spank it around a road course such as VIR.
09-05-2008, 11:06 PM
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I'm actually looking forward to test driving one when it arrives at the dealer. I want to test out its sound system! 
Which car should I walk into the dealer with? Think they'll treat me better with the E60 or the 987?
Which car should I walk into the dealer with? Think they'll treat me better with the E60 or the 987?
09-05-2008, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by seoulman' post='662940' date='Sep 5 2008, 05:56 PM
Yes... it's a Hyundai, but does that make it a bad car? Have you driven one? I will shoot down a bad car (be it German, Japanese, American or Korean) as fast as the next guy, but the Genesis isn't a bad car. Drive one before you pass judgment on it.
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Gee, it looks like crap, faces two cars from two different types and still isn't in the right one, and it's from a Hyundai website.
Is this Genesis really trying to compete with the full-fledge executive sedans? Where's the LS460? Or the MB? And since when have the aforementioned companies dropped V6's into these cars? Not recently at least. I think a 5er would be able to take on the Genesis and they seem to be in the same class. But it still has an awkward shape....like those shoes fat women wear. Yes. It really did remind me of that. Who designed that?
Is this Genesis really trying to compete with the full-fledge executive sedans? Where's the LS460? Or the MB? And since when have the aforementioned companies dropped V6's into these cars? Not recently at least. I think a 5er would be able to take on the Genesis and they seem to be in the same class. But it still has an awkward shape....like those shoes fat women wear. Yes. It really did remind me of that. Who designed that?