2007 E class V8 382hp.
10-12-2005, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by UUronL' date='Oct 6 2005, 06:09 PM
[quote name='SergeyM' date='Oct 6 2005, 05:58 PM'][quote name='Bimmer32' date='Oct 5 2005, 10:09 PM'][quote name='MEX' date='Oct 5 2005, 06:39 PM']probably just a couple of years, it really doesn't matter if the 550 is faster than a E550, marketing wise its the 382 hp that matter, MOST car owners just consider the Hp ratings as the ultimate "fastness" factor and buy the car with that in mind, so BMW will probably have to deliver a 385-400 hp engine soon (maybe just a re retuning of the 4.8 L).
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[/quote]Yes, if build in Italy
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[/quote]I'm not too sure what the point of such small V8 engines is, since there is so much torque to be gained from larger-displacement engines. I mean, I kinda get it for Italian cars, since these engines are usually wedged into an impossibly small engine compartment. The 5, 6, and 7 should have no such problems and could accomodate larger engines. As we've seen in other MB announcements, they plan to make "American sized" V8s, in the 5+ L displacement range.
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[/quote]I agree. My Z06 is about 5.7 liters (405 HP), and it gets excellent gas mileage. I get about the same mileage in both the Z06 and my 545i--about 16.5 with very little freeway driving. There is no gas guzzler tax on the 02-04 Z06. Similarly, the non-Z06 C6 Corvettes (400 HP) get excellent mileage with a 6 liter. And, the small block is a small engine (duh!), but I don't know exactly how its physical size compares to the 4.8. I am betting they aren't that much different. They don't look that different in my garage. Maybe I'll measure at least widths and lengths.
10-12-2005, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Oct 12 2005, 09:58 PM
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[/quote]I agree. My Z06 is about 5.7 liters (405 HP), and it gets excellent gas mileage. I get about the same mileage in both the Z06 and my 545i--about 16.5 with very little freeway driving. There is no gas guzzler tax on the 02-04 Z06. Similarly, the non-Z06 C6 Corvettes (400 HP) get excellent mileage with a 6 liter. And, the small block is a small engine (duh!), but I don't know exactly how its physical size compares to the 4.8. I am betting they aren't that much different. They don't look that different in my garage. Maybe I'll measure at least widths and lengths.
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[/quote]I think porsche makes the most space saving/power engine. Wonder why BMW stays away from superchargers and turbochargers. I mean, porsche and MB don't mind @#$#@charging their engines. Hasn't the 3.6 liter porsche been around for decades, and them just make better and better every some odd years?
10-12-2005, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bimmer32' date='Oct 12 2005, 10:41 PM
[quote name='Bimmer32' date='Oct 12 2005, 10:41 PM'][quote name='donv' date='Oct 12 2005, 09:58 PM']
I'm not too sure what the point of such small V8 engines is, since there is so much torque to be gained from larger-displacement engines.? I mean, I kinda get it for Italian cars, since these engines are usually wedged into an impossibly small engine compartment.? The 5, 6, and 7 should have no such problems and could accomodate larger engines.? As we've seen in other MB announcements, they plan to make "American sized" V8s, in the 5+ L displacement range.
I'm not too sure what the point of such small V8 engines is, since there is so much torque to be gained from larger-displacement engines.? I mean, I kinda get it for Italian cars, since these engines are usually wedged into an impossibly small engine compartment.? The 5, 6, and 7 should have no such problems and could accomodate larger engines.? As we've seen in other MB announcements, they plan to make "American sized" V8s, in the 5+ L displacement range.
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[/quote]I think porsche makes the most space saving/power engine. Wonder why BMW stays away from superchargers and turbochargers. I mean, porsche and MB don't mind @#$#@charging their engines. Hasn't the 3.6 liter porsche been around for decades, and them just make better and better every some odd years?
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[/quote]I think Porsche uses them out of necessity--because of lack of space. Personally, I don't like turbochargers. I've had 3 good cars with them, and I don't like the turbo lag--even the lag on a Porsche turbo. I strongly prefer superchargers to turbos--parasitic, but no lag. But, I strongly prefer cubic inches, cylinders, and design to superchargers--a la the new Z06 engine, the new M5 engine, the Viper engine, and the SL600 engine (I think that's the right designation for the MB 10 or 12 cylinder--whichever). My understanding is that Dinan is not going to try to supercharge the valvetronic engines; apparently it is hard to do, but I can't say why. Maybe BMW doesn't do it because they can get what they want with cubes. cylinders, and valvetronics. So, for example, what if BMW can get 600 HP out of a 6 liter M5 engine. Surely the current HP war will stop sometime soon in relation to somewhat affordable "street" cars. It's really dumb, but, of course, I like it.
10-14-2005, 12:30 PM
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With an E500 curb weight of 4231 lbs, the 550 doesn't have anything to worry about. 4231/382 = 11.07 lb/hp, 3803/360 = 10.56 lb/hp. Then, if you have a 6sp or SMG 550, your advantage increases by another 20 hp or so over the all-automatic model E500.
10-14-2005, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wolverine' date='Oct 14 2005, 03:30 PM
With an E500 curb weight of 4231 lbs, the 550 doesn't have anything to worry about.? 4231/382 = 11.07 lb/hp,? 3803/360 = 10.56 lb/hp.? Then, if you have a 6sp or SMG 550, your advantage increases by another 20 hp or so over the all-automatic model E500.
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10-15-2005, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by donv' date='Oct 14 2005, 02:47 PM
[quote name='wolverine' date='Oct 14 2005, 03:30 PM']With an E500 curb weight of 4231 lbs, the 550 doesn't have anything to worry about.? 4231/382 = 11.07 lb/hp,? 3803/360 = 10.56 lb/hp.? Then, if you have a 6sp or SMG 550, your advantage increases by another 20 hp or so over the all-automatic model E500.
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[/quote]The 20 rwhp is a pretty good estimate, given about 15% loss for a manual and 20% for an auto.
360 x .85 = 306 rwhp, 360 x .8 = 288 rwhp, a difference of 18 hp. Whether that 18 hp gives you .2 in the quarter depends on the driver, tires, gearing etc. The gearing for the auto is slightly different I think, so that could affect acceleration times.
10-15-2005, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wolverine' date='Oct 15 2005, 11:21 AM
[quote name='donv' date='Oct 14 2005, 02:47 PM'][quote name='wolverine' date='Oct 14 2005, 03:30 PM']With an E500 curb weight of 4231 lbs, the 550 doesn't have anything to worry about.? 4231/382 = 11.07 lb/hp,? 3803/360 = 10.56 lb/hp.? Then, if you have a 6sp or SMG 550, your advantage increases by another 20 hp or so over the all-automatic model E500.
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[/quote]The 20 rwhp is a pretty good estimate, given about 15% loss for a manual and 20% for an auto.
360 x .85 = 306 rwhp, 360 x .8 = 288 rwhp, a difference of 18 hp. Whether that 18 hp gives you .2 in the quarter depends on the driver, tires, gearing etc. The gearing for the auto is slightly different I think, so that could affect acceleration times.
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[/quote]Right, the auto rear-end is higher numerically--3.38 to 2.93--about 15% higher. And, .85(.15 X 360) = about 46 HP. Still, except for first, as I recall, the manual's other gears are slightly lower numerically. But, given the overall gearing, I would be surprised if the autos aren't generally faster despite BMW's .1 claim to the contrary for 0 to 60.
10-17-2005, 05:37 PM
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E500's 382hp vs. the 550i's 360hp is almost academic. From this forum, it seems most 545/550 owners picked the BMW due to its handling prowess. Even if the E500 had 450hp, I would choose a 550i given its amazing handling with the sports pack. Really, how many times do you notice a coupe tenths of a second in acceleration?
When you also consider the MB's higher price and lack of free maintenance, it's really a no brainer unless you are shopping purely for status.
When you also consider the MB's higher price and lack of free maintenance, it's really a no brainer unless you are shopping purely for status.
10-17-2005, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LowOrbit' date='Oct 17 2005, 08:37 PM
E500's 382hp vs. the 550i's 360hp is almost academic.? From this forum, it seems most 545/550 owners picked the BMW due to its handling prowess.? Even if the E500 had 450hp, I would choose a 550i given its amazing handling with the sports pack.
I would take the E500 with 450 HP, other things equal.
Really, how many times do you notice a coupe tenths of a second in acceleration?
I notice the effects of being able to do a couple of tenths faster in the quarter every time I accelerate for any appreciable distance, but of course 450 HP would yield much more than a couple of tenths. A question for you is "what percentage of the time do you go straight or go through curves/corners in a non-spirited fashion? I probably do these things 99% of the time--with a great deal of my time spent accelerating from red lights in a straight line. So, it really is more important to me to be able to go straight in a spirited fashion than to be able to do curves/corners in a spirtied fashion. I can't speak for the majority of 545/550 owners, but I think many feel the same way. I see a lot of talk about the superb handlng abilities of our cars, but I would bet that most of us do very little that requires much in the way of superb handling ability. I do some, but a very small amount.?
When you also consider the MB's higher price and lack of free maintenance, it's really a no brainer unless you are shopping purely for status.
There is no such thing as free maintenance on a new car. I'm not sure what the difference in the price of the two cars is, but I might pay the difference if the MB had 450 HP. It would just depend on how much the difference is. If it were too great, then I either wouldn't buy the MB or I would buy an M5.
I would take the E500 with 450 HP, other things equal.
Really, how many times do you notice a coupe tenths of a second in acceleration?
I notice the effects of being able to do a couple of tenths faster in the quarter every time I accelerate for any appreciable distance, but of course 450 HP would yield much more than a couple of tenths. A question for you is "what percentage of the time do you go straight or go through curves/corners in a non-spirited fashion? I probably do these things 99% of the time--with a great deal of my time spent accelerating from red lights in a straight line. So, it really is more important to me to be able to go straight in a spirited fashion than to be able to do curves/corners in a spirtied fashion. I can't speak for the majority of 545/550 owners, but I think many feel the same way. I see a lot of talk about the superb handlng abilities of our cars, but I would bet that most of us do very little that requires much in the way of superb handling ability. I do some, but a very small amount.?
When you also consider the MB's higher price and lack of free maintenance, it's really a no brainer unless you are shopping purely for status.
There is no such thing as free maintenance on a new car. I'm not sure what the difference in the price of the two cars is, but I might pay the difference if the MB had 450 HP. It would just depend on how much the difference is. If it were too great, then I either wouldn't buy the MB or I would buy an M5.
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